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Post by aranealux on Aug 4, 2022 19:49:37 GMT
Perfume making is *so* interesting and also I have like twenty aromachems on my current wishlist and I am resisting the temptation until my next paycheck.
Someone give me scent concepts! Or ask me about making perfume because I can go on about it for a very long time because it is highly neat.
So far I have successfully made a sweet-spicy-floral, and one which reminds me of lavender in the rain, and then there's a ton which have ended up in my mille fleur bottle.
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Post by Blue (sporkified) on Aug 5, 2022 19:53:58 GMT
please tell me. is there a scientific way to decide which chemicals to put into a perfume so it smells good, or do you just kinda have to do trial and error? whats the worst smelling thing youve ever made?
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Post by potionsalesman on Aug 6, 2022 0:34:12 GMT
Perfume making is *so* interesting and also I have like twenty aromachems on my current wishlist and I am resisting the temptation until my next paycheck.
Someone give me scent concepts! Or ask me about making perfume because I can go on about it for a very long time because it is highly neat.
So far I have successfully made a sweet-spicy-floral, and one which reminds me of lavender in the rain, and then there's a ton which have ended up in my mille fleur bottle.
also, out of scientific curiosity: do you know why everyone was so crazy for castorium or whatever beaver butts have got going on?
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Post by aranealux on Aug 6, 2022 11:34:02 GMT
please tell me. is there a scientific way to decide which chemicals to put into a perfume so it smells good, or do you just kinda have to do trial and error? whats the worst smelling thing youve ever made? So! There are two answers I can give to your first question, being sciencey ways to have good smelling materials. The short answer is no, because sense of smell is weird as *heck* (Here is an article with our current working theories for how our sense of smell actually works), and on top of that, what smells good is highly psychological. So, so, so many things influence what we think smells good (did you know smell is the most closest linked sense to memory?) and on top of that, even stuff we think smells bad on its own (like crotch odor) smells really really good when used properly (hence why musk is so expensive).
However, there are a few tried-and-true hitters like Iso E Super (check out Molecule 01, it's a total ripoff of literally just this, which you can get a bottle of for 5 bucks) which we do have scientific reason for using. I am still a fledgling at orgo and chem at large, but basically it's part of a family of molecules which smell really nice (ambery-woody), it has a good molecule size/shape which grants it longevity and insane projection, and people get noseblind to it quickly, which means it's not overwhelming and will fade into the background a bit. There are some other superstar ingredients like Hedione (a milky, citrus-jasmine type thing which is really good at bringing notes together). At the end of the day though, perfumery is definitely an art more than a science.
And the *worst* thing I've ever made huh. I think probably when I managed to recreate what my friend said was a spot-on depiction of her grandpa's old-man smell, it had a mixture of camphor, cloves, cedarwood, and wood smoke (but not in the good way). It was pretty funny!
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Post by aranealux on Aug 6, 2022 11:48:38 GMT
Perfume making is *so* interesting and also I have like twenty aromachems on my current wishlist and I am resisting the temptation until my next paycheck.
Someone give me scent concepts! Or ask me about making perfume because I can go on about it for a very long time because it is highly neat.
So far I have successfully made a sweet-spicy-floral, and one which reminds me of lavender in the rain, and then there's a ton which have ended up in my mille fleur bottle.
also, out of scientific curiosity: do you know why everyone was so crazy for castorium or whatever beaver butts have got going on? Ahahaha, the biggest and best question of perfumery!
So it's worth noting I think that I have never used castoreum myself because it is crazy expensive, but I do have a material called Shangralide Oliffac, which is a synthetic made to smell like musk from musk deer. More specifically, like musk from a gland on the genitals of male musk deer. It literally smells like butt. Like, poopy butt. Butt with poop but without the sweat, interestingly enough. It's *super* weird.
If I had to posit a hypothesis, I'd say it's because when used well, you can't actually smell any of the more, excrement-y, aspects. The key thing to remember is that you very very seldom have a material which stays the same upon mixing it with other stuff, and well-used musks add smell "warmth" to a perfume, they make it more natural-to-the-human-smell rather than I-just-went-swimming-in-concentrated-essence-of-daisy lightness. I would also suggest that maybe more animal-y instincts come into play here too. (fun semi-unrelated fact: humans don't actually have the smell detectors for pheromones anymore! Which is super fun to know when you look at cheap "super sexy charisma+100 aphrodisiac pheromone" fragrances)
Another thing to love about animalics (all the gross body-odor, excrement type materials) is that they tend to last long, and when in perfumery, that's a good thing because they have an extending effect on other materials, especially if you use them well! I've got some amber materials which on their own smell like Essence of Man Shampoo with that kinda overpowering tickles-your-nose lightness, but mixed with a musk it smooths out into something a lot warmer, and when mixed with some cedarwood it's one of my favorite bases. Even with florals like lavender (what can I say, I like lavender) and lilac, it "matures" the scent away from fresh flowers and more into a heavier, refined smell.
All in all, if you can use animalics without it smelling like butt, which is actually pretty easy, it's a great way to start looking to other people like you know what you're doing!
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Post by potionsalesman on Aug 7, 2022 4:21:58 GMT
also, out of scientific curiosity: do you know why everyone was so crazy for castorium or whatever beaver butts have got going on? Ahahaha, the biggest and best question of perfumery!
So it's worth noting I think that I have never used castoreum myself because it is crazy expensive, but I do have a material called Shangralide Oliffac, which is a synthetic made to smell like musk from musk deer. More specifically, like musk from a gland on the genitals of male musk deer. It literally smells like butt. Like, poopy butt. Butt with poop but without the sweat, interestingly enough. It's *super* weird.
If I had to posit a hypothesis, I'd say it's because when used well, you can't actually smell any of the more, excrement-y, aspects. The key thing to remember is that you very very seldom have a material which stays the same upon mixing it with other stuff, and well-used musks add smell "warmth" to a perfume, they make it more natural-to-the-human-smell rather than I-just-went-swimming-in-concentrated-essence-of-daisy lightness. I would also suggest that maybe more animal-y instincts come into play here too. (fun semi-unrelated fact: humans don't actually have the smell detectors for pheromones anymore! Which is super fun to know when you look at cheap "super sexy charisma+100 aphrodisiac pheromone" fragrances)
Another thing to love about animalics (all the gross body-odor, excrement type materials) is that they tend to last long, and when in perfumery, that's a good thing because they have an extending effect on other materials, especially if you use them well! I've got some amber materials which on their own smell like Essence of Man Shampoo with that kinda overpowering tickles-your-nose lightness, but mixed with a musk it smooths out into something a lot warmer, and when mixed with some cedarwood it's one of my favorite bases. Even with florals like lavender (what can I say, I like lavender) and lilac, it "matures" the scent away from fresh flowers and more into a heavier, refined smell.
All in all, if you can use animalics without it smelling like butt, which is actually pretty easy, it's a great way to start looking to other people like you know what you're doing! HOLY SHIT U SLAM DUNKED THIS QUESTION!!!!!
I guess beavers get a pass bc im pretty sure the castoreum glands arent IN the anus and are just VERY CLOSE TO THE ANUS but it makes so much sense that it's like. a balancer. everyday i wake up and i cry at humans cringe little sinus systems, we have lost SO much and for what??? to learn the quadratic equation??? i am sick to my stomach.
do you find your own stuff for making your smells, when you can, or do you end up buying all of it? going on a walk to look for smells seems so fun!!! plants have a lot of little undertones and sometimes it can be a dead giveaway to what family they're in!! if they would've let me sniff the plants at my plant ID competitions i would've wrecked that shit!! when i learn new plants i Always smell them.
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Post by weevilgxth on Aug 8, 2022 15:36:46 GMT
Perfume making is *so* interesting and also I have like twenty aromachems on my current wishlist and I am resisting the temptation until my next paycheck.
Someone give me scent concepts! Or ask me about making perfume because I can go on about it for a very long time because it is highly neat.
So far I have successfully made a sweet-spicy-floral, and one which reminds me of lavender in the rain, and then there's a ton which have ended up in my mille fleur bottle.
how do citrus scents pair with musk?
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Post by aranealux on Aug 30, 2022 23:53:23 GMT
Ahahaha, the biggest and best question of perfumery!
So it's worth noting I think that I have never used castoreum myself because it is crazy expensive, but I do have a material called Shangralide Oliffac, which is a synthetic made to smell like musk from musk deer. More specifically, like musk from a gland on the genitals of male musk deer. It literally smells like butt. Like, poopy butt. Butt with poop but without the sweat, interestingly enough. It's *super* weird.
If I had to posit a hypothesis, I'd say it's because when used well, you can't actually smell any of the more, excrement-y, aspects. The key thing to remember is that you very very seldom have a material which stays the same upon mixing it with other stuff, and well-used musks add smell "warmth" to a perfume, they make it more natural-to-the-human-smell rather than I-just-went-swimming-in-concentrated-essence-of-daisy lightness. I would also suggest that maybe more animal-y instincts come into play here too. (fun semi-unrelated fact: humans don't actually have the smell detectors for pheromones anymore! Which is super fun to know when you look at cheap "super sexy charisma+100 aphrodisiac pheromone" fragrances)
Another thing to love about animalics (all the gross body-odor, excrement type materials) is that they tend to last long, and when in perfumery, that's a good thing because they have an extending effect on other materials, especially if you use them well! I've got some amber materials which on their own smell like Essence of Man Shampoo with that kinda overpowering tickles-your-nose lightness, but mixed with a musk it smooths out into something a lot warmer, and when mixed with some cedarwood it's one of my favorite bases. Even with florals like lavender (what can I say, I like lavender) and lilac, it "matures" the scent away from fresh flowers and more into a heavier, refined smell.
All in all, if you can use animalics without it smelling like butt, which is actually pretty easy, it's a great way to start looking to other people like you know what you're doing! HOLY SHIT U SLAM DUNKED THIS QUESTION!!!!!
I guess beavers get a pass bc im pretty sure the castoreum glands arent IN the anus and are just VERY CLOSE TO THE ANUS but it makes so much sense that it's like. a balancer. everyday i wake up and i cry at humans cringe little sinus systems, we have lost SO much and for what??? to learn the quadratic equation??? i am sick to my stomach.
do you find your own stuff for making your smells, when you can, or do you end up buying all of it? going on a walk to look for smells seems so fun!!! plants have a lot of little undertones and sometimes it can be a dead giveaway to what family they're in!! if they would've let me sniff the plants at my plant ID competitions i would've wrecked that shit!! when i learn new plants i Always smell them. The answer is I wish I could make my own! I've looked into steam distilleries, but heck they are expensive... Enfleurage is also an option, basically you press flowers or other aromatic plants into soft wax, and you let it infuse over time. Both require a *ton* of plant matter though, and unfortunately I do not live in an area where I can find or grow the requisite amount...
The fact you've trained your sense of smell so well is really amazing! I aspire to be able to do such things, but I only recently started actually paying attention to how things smell. I've come a long way, but I have such a hard time finding smell references for desireable scents (aka not playground wood chips or rotting garbage). If we could combine our skills though, that would be extremely interesting!
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Post by aranealux on Aug 30, 2022 23:55:58 GMT
Perfume making is *so* interesting and also I have like twenty aromachems on my current wishlist and I am resisting the temptation until my next paycheck.
Someone give me scent concepts! Or ask me about making perfume because I can go on about it for a very long time because it is highly neat.
So far I have successfully made a sweet-spicy-floral, and one which reminds me of lavender in the rain, and then there's a ton which have ended up in my mille fleur bottle.
how do citrus scents pair with musk? I think they pair quite well! Depending on the musk you can emphasise the sweetness or the bitterness of the citrus in question. Like, I've done some wonders with a lighter musk and bergamot.
I recently started looking a lot more at citrus and things to mix with it since I found out that one of my friends really likes it. Funnily enough, prior to that I had one citrus material, and it was frankly a bad one (think lemon scented floor wash), so I'm quite glad for the excuse to get better materials!
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